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Title: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 03:04:34 PM
So, word reaches me from every corner of the world, of people who even talked to me once, are getting barraged by OOC whining about me, followed by IC propaganda, and now more and more 'unaffiliated' Nobles, bring 'unaffiliated' troops, from Realms far and wide, to attack me. Because I apparently power-game or whatever.

When the Cult of the Void, with whom I never had any interaction with, started doing the same, it took the cake.

This is me pointing and laughing at you all. How can you, with the support of almost the entire playerbase, not even put a dent in me? Heck, I've been sleeping peacefully with no concern at all, even when 500 unaffiliated troops advance on me. That is just pathetic. You rainbow snowflake munchkins need to try harder. You might as well just bring your entire Realm, I wouldn't mind. I'll beat you up anyway. Would at least put a face to your crusading landless Knights. In the meantime, we in the Imperium are also laughing about that. Sending landless Knights against us. How disgraceful is that? We also know where they come from and that makes it even more hilarious.

Come at me: http://pasteboard.co/18eLhtY5.png (http://pasteboard.co/18eLhtY5.png)

Oh, and don't forget to bring your bandits too.

Conveniently, I placed this topic in the rage zone so we can start a, as my HoO friends would put it, salt farm.

EDIT: Oh, and if you ever decide to play fair and ICly, do let me know. I'll be waiting. And laughing. Ha ha.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
Ah, the heavy javelin troops you got from Nril. Those sure seem to take care of business, huh? Looks like they were facing crappy and/or starving troops in there.


I play in the Cult of the Void (there are more or less 4 players active in there currently), and nothing has been said about Weaver. All my character knows is that he's the Emperor of the Imperium of Aelwyn, and a religious fanatic (thus, an unlikely target for our proselytizing).


We have, however, taken the approach of making our nobles join other realms and mingle with their nobility, ICly infiltrating them and trying to convert people to our religion.


I can imagine which character you have been facing, and if it is who I think I believe then it's about his ties to Eldamar. The Cult has spoken not a single word about you, much less decided to take one side in the war. We are busy elsewhere.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 03:33:11 PM
Only 20 javelins trained in Whisperreap. And those troops were all satisfied. No starving happened. It's my Capital after all.

As for the Cult, yeah, I could guess you guys in general didn't have anything to do with it. Don't know much about this guy, except that they're taking a keen interest in lands owned by HoO. Taking 0 interest in anything else. And the whole idea that Weaver is a religious fanatic is pure BS. I don't even know where that came from, but I am liking it.

I wouldn't even call it 'facing'. More like 'destroying'. I don't really take interest in inquiring about this stuff from my Knights, but I can imagine the whine they have to listen to. God bless 'leave conversation', right?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 03:39:16 PM
Depends on what you consider to be a religious fanatic. Several of my characters are precisely that, on varying degrees.


In the eyes of the Cultists of the Void, Weaver took as emperor of the Erstes Imperium, diffused a certain Cult of Aelwyn, created a religious order and a religious realm to hold lands in the name of their divinities, and even went so far as to rename one of the two surviving older realms left (the EI), to replace it with the name of his creed.


That seems pretty fanatical to me.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 03:46:27 PM
The 'Cult of Aelwyn' is like the 'Code of Bushido', nothing religious about it and no gods. It does enter into a theme, that no one ICly knows, that there is a 'spiral' which is the mechanism of death and rebirth, and that evil deeds can taint it. But as I said, pretty much no one knows that second part. The Aelwyn Tradition is just that, a code of conduct and government. The crusading orders I imagine more like Bands of Mercenaries from the Berserk universe.

As for the name? That was to get the Civil War going, and it sure did. I guess Weaver does hit some of the notes of a fanatic, but no more than a samurai bound by duty. Why this translates into 'He is a mad emperor, we must kill him. I'll create a non-affiliated character and go attack him' and why everyone on the planet knows this, is beyond me.

At least Weaver is popular. When Weaver eventually wins, and executes every last opponent, I'll have so many bragging chips it won't even be funny. Really, it's like playing chess with children- half the guys I see running around have no clue what they are doing. They had so many opportunities to win it's not even funny. Or get a draw. I actually surrendered, but that hasn't stopped anyone.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 04:26:13 PM
If that's the theme you wanted to go with, then it was a bad idea to use "holy lands", "holy order", "crusader", "knight of one", "prophet", "heaven's arsenal", "saint". Your names refer directly to the most fanatical middle-ages christian enterprises and general theme. Of course people will read that and label you as a religious fanatic.


Also, most of my characters would label a stereotypical samurai as a religious fanatic, as they do not share the culture or beliefs.


I don't mind IC gloating, Weaver-player, but please keep it civil OoC. You are insulting and diminishing players, and that is not nice.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Andre on January 28, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
Seems like you are having fun then.
It is one of my characters goals to create an army that can easily beat a much larger army, like his whole RP revolves around just making the best army ever, currently he is estateless, armyless and liegeless though as I just returned :P.
But I am hoping I can one day get a 200-300 man strong army that he can become a mercenary with and having him participate on your side can turn the tides of a war. Would be great fun.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 05:00:40 PM
A single noble with 200-300 troops is a snail, not to mention the high chances of his army starving while he travels around from point A to point B.


You'd have a great increase in performance if you distributed an amount of the likes between two or three nobles.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Most of that is OOC knowledge. As for your last request, I'll make sure to treat everyone as my equal once they stop taking this war so personally that they'll do anything to win. Why should I be civil when most of the guys I play with keep getting harassed OOCly by constant whining and bitching?

When people draw the line between game and player and learn to separate the two, and stop harassing my Realm-mates and associates, will I be less inclined to be hostile. And don't get me wrong, I am not even close to hostile right now; I don't see why you'd mention 'being civil'. I am civil. I haven't called anyone any names, merely pointed out the fact that I am sending them home without even giving them the courtesy of a good chase down and swift murder.

No, on the contrary. I am thinking I should take a page out of their playbook, and just call in all my OOC friends on them, but I am pretty sure the Forum would go down when everyone comes crying. So, no, in fact, I consider myself to be very civil and not-hostile.

Also, Andre, pretty much what Ratharing said.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Andre on January 28, 2016, 05:41:30 PM
Well yeah, I was thinking just like having an army around that size that can turn the tides of war, probably not on only one character. But having that character as the leader or something. He might ask around for information about the strongest troop types and best compositions aswell, and supporters or something once he really starts going for that, depending on what kind of regions he already has when he decides to do that.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Grayford on January 28, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
I am civil.

This is me pointing and laughing at you all.

...

EDIT: Oh, and if you ever decide to play fair and ICly, do let me know. I'll be waiting. And laughing. Ha ha.

I'm not really involved in any of this and don't know entirely what's going on, but I could see where someone would see that as not-so-civil.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 06:31:49 PM
It's not like I care anymore about what kind of perception people have of me. Plenty of people worked really hard to ruin that already.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 07:17:44 PM
Most of that is OOC knowledge.

Flaochad has received most of those words associated with you ICly, either through you, Vanessa, your knights or others. The extensive use of christian iconography is not veiled.

Let me list you some things that everyone can see, related to Weaver, even without ever having met him (only through rumors):
The Holy Imperium of Xiye Xi Apos (realm)
Saint (rank in the realm)
Holy Blade (Weaver's legendary sword)
Chalice of Emerwin (Legendary artifact associated with said sword)
The Holy Lands of the Imperium (realm)
Templars and Zealots (Ranks of the Provectus Tormenta as described in the realm)
Holy Order of Saint Aelwyn (realm)

Can you seriously color yourself surprised for your character to be considered a religious zealot with that heavy use of medieval christian iconography? Notice this is all IC and widely available to any distant noble from far, far away, I am not even mentioning the closer interactions with the friends and foes of Weaver.

As for your last request, I'll make sure to treat everyone as my equal once they stop taking this war so personally that they'll do anything to win. Why should I be civil when most of the guys I play with keep getting harassed OOCly by constant whining and bitching?

You said you were not going to play the game forever. How would you rather be remembered? As the guy who provided a very entertaining turmoil and lore in the most central area of the game, or a guy who was being a douche in OoC towards others (regardless if they deserved it or not)?

No, on the contrary. I am thinking I should take a page out of their playbook, and just call in all my OOC friends on them, but I am pretty sure the Forum would go down when everyone comes crying. So, no, in fact, I consider myself to be very civil and not-hostile.

You are already being accused of that, specially regarding Hawk's intervention. I don't buy it, in the same way I don't buy your accusations on others (from what I've seen you are only facing the dukes of the former-EI and Eldamar, even the guy from the Cult of the Void -if he is who I think- was originally a guy from Eldamar and his troops come from his home realm, not from the Cult).

Unless you mean to imply there are troops coming from elsewhere?

To my understanding the only actors involved directly against you in the civil war are those mentioned: the dukes and Eldamar. The Archonian Dominate intervened to counter Tetsuyama, but that's as far as our involvement has gone. Hawks and Rathgarr, on the other hand, have been extensively helping you. Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 08:27:19 PM
No, that is not IC information, so you can cross Holy Blade and Chalice off the list. Saint is a person of exemplary virtue, the word is not solely related to religion. So is Zealot, a person of strong conviction trying to convert others to the same. Templar is the only word there that has anything to do with religion, as it is a member of a *Knightly* Order of a Religion.

As for Holy Lands and the Order of Saint Aelwyn- Holy:
There are in fact four other Knightly Orders in the Provectus Tormenta.


The most important thing however is, none of this information is IC. And even if it was, no one stopped to wonder why there are no priests or whatevers? Sure, it's my fault for using words with different meanings than the generally accepted norm, but if you are going to take as IC information every realm page and just assume you know it, I might as well rename them to "squirrels". And then what? EI is the only Realm in the world with Squirrels in it?


The simple fact, and bottom line is thus, yes, troops from places outside Eldamar and EI are being dragged into war, as well as bandits, and on top of that, people are using OOC information they can hardly understand to butt into my war (Which I don't even really mind) What I do mind is when they start whining and bitching that *I* am a power-gamer.

And as for how people perceive me? I do not really care. It does not bother me one iota what people say about me, or think about me. I could say I am slightly bothered by the hipocrisy of it all, but even that is not a factor in the least bit. The only thing that bothers me is people getting colored because of associating with me in any form. As for anything else? I know what I am gonna be remembered for. Beating everyone involved in this war silly with sticks and stones.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
No, that is not IC information, so you can cross Holy Blade and Chalice off the list.

Remove it from your character's description if you don't want it to be IC information. Keep it on the wiki instead, or something. Right now that represents what is publicly known from a very public person.

Saint is a person of exemplary virtue, the word is not solely related to religion.

Google up its definition, its wiki page, the origin of the word, whatever. If you wanted a title without religious connotations you made a poor choice.

So is Zealot, a person of strong conviction trying to convert others to the same.

Unless we are talking about Starcraft, then Zealot is either the radical religious and political movement of the first century Jews, or, by association, a fanatical partisan. In a medieval scenario, the jump towards a religious fanatic is truly a small leap.

Templar is the only word there that has anything to do with religion, as it is a member of a *Knightly* Order of a Religion.

You may be using the modern meanings of "saint" and "zealot", but both are religious in origin (saint has not stopped being, truly).

As for Holy Lands and the Order of Saint Aelwyn- Holy:
  • exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness

Well, you can characterize it as non-religious, but "exalted", "worthy of complete devotion" and "perfect in goodness and righteousness" seems pretty religious to me. And I imply nothing negative by saying it.

There are in fact four other Knightly Orders in the Provectus Tormenta.

I am only listing the blatantly religion-related and public.

The most important thing however is, none of this information is IC.

All of it is public. If you put stuff in the description of your character and realms expect them to be known.

And even if it was, no one stopped to wonder why there are no priests or whatevers?

It is also public that the Trinitary State is part of the Imperium of Aelwyn, and that they have priests. Its relation to the Aelwyn Tradition is not fully clear, but by that point one would have every pointer in the religious direction, and none against. It would take people knowing more about you to perhaps dispel such notion.

Besides, one could safely assume Weaver and the knights are priests of sorts (warrior monks and whatnot).

Sure, it's my fault for using words with different meanings than the generally accepted norm, but if you are going to take as IC information every realm page and just assume you know it, I might as well rename them to "squirrels". And then what? EI is the only Realm in the world with Squirrels in it?

If you change your title to "tyrant" then you can claim there are precedents for you to be a regular (temporal) autocrat, without necessarily having the wrong connotations given afterwards to the term. But if you entitle yourself "pope", "ayatollah", "rabbi", "daoshi" or even "brahmin" then you are inducing people to believe you a spiritual/religious ruler/priest. You can use that name for your minister of foreign affairs, but don't act surprised when people read it wrongly.

The simple fact, and bottom line is thus, yes, troops from places outside Eldamar and EI are being dragged into war, as well as bandits, and on top of that, people are using OOC information they can hardly understand to butt into my war (Which I don't even really mind) What I do mind is when they start whining and bitching that *I* am a power-gamer.

Where are those troops coming from, besides the Archonian Dominate (whose theater of war is Tetsuyama), Tetsuyama itself, Rathgar and Hawks (the three of which are on your side)?

Bandits are always dragged to every war. They were to every war I took part in. They beat us bloody when we started The Void. They are something you get used to and learn to ignore. If bandits threaten you, then you are already very weak.

And what OOC information? The ones I listed are all IC to me.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 28, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
Ah, the heavy javelin troops you got from Nril. Those sure seem to take care of business, huh? Looks like they were facing crappy and/or starving troops in there.


I play in the Cult of the Void (there are more or less 4 players active in there currently), and nothing has been said about Weaver. All my character knows is that he's the Emperor of the Imperium of Aelwyn, and a religious fanatic (thus, an unlikely target for our proselytizing).


We have, however, taken the approach of making our nobles join other realms and mingle with their nobility, ICly infiltrating them and trying to convert people to our religion.


I can imagine which character you have been facing, and if it is who I think I believe then it's about his ties to Eldamar. The Cult has spoken not a single word about you, much less decided to take one side in the war. We are busy elsewhere.


Nril doesn't use Javelin. Only Rheged does among the Elysium realms, and that was only cause they were testing a no archer force. The troops sold by Nril died in the first offensive by Fairwind in the east long ago.


Where are those troops coming from, besides the Archonian Dominate (whose theater of war is Tetsuyama), Tetsuyama itself, Rathgar and Hawks (the three of which are on your side)?


When the entire thread has devolved into nitpicking, can we at least be specific. Hawks does not support Weaver, hell a good part of Hawks is waiting to see what advantage they can gain from Weavers demise. A specific sub group of sub realms have a issue with Black Forest, and thus by extension their allies, however they are not actually friendly with Weaver either, they just both happen to be fighting the same foe at the same time. They are actually one of the biggest supporters for the suggestion for Hawks to expand East during this war.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
Ok, you know what, you are right. I was wrong. I will just remove the description from all of my characters, and use game jargon for my long realm name. Like 'EI'. And all the ranks in my realm will be modern democratic jargon as well. I mean, hell, we even had a realm named Poland. Might as well start the god damn Third Reich and rename House of Order to the SchutzStaffel- oh, and every Noble will be Panzer IV F2, with a rep about their tracks. And you know what? All of that will be IC. Whisperreap will be Tank Factory I. And now we are a World War II geo-political simulator.

You know, I can understand the leap in logic in knowing beforehand what a character looks like, what a city is called, and what a realm is named- but going into the specifics only someone close to the character would notice or know, without ever interacting with him, is just plain bullshit. How is one supposed to make secret ranks and orders, if creating any incentive to RP with them must be avoided because it becomes 'IC knowledge'. That's just plain wrong.

The realm ranks, titles, names, they all exist to create incentive for RP, not have everyone across the world know about them automatically by default. The mad 'Emperor'/fanatic/whatever persona exists because of these incentives- whether they were used ICly or OOCly is beside the point. But if it's going to be purely OOC, I'll remove them. In fact, I'll change my RP and description, and Weaver will be like a nobody. And then what?

There should be responsibility in reading appearance paragraphs and Realm structures.

Either way, there's a lot more going on and than you are aware of, and that's the point of the topic. I don't want to name any names or point any fingers.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
On the titles and RP, you can always use fantasy titles that have no RL connotation if you want to go with something new. Now, if you use RL titles do expect certain parallels to be drawn. If you go with Nazi Germany theme, as absurd as it might be, you will naturally be compared with Hitler. That is to be expected.

If you go with the Christian crusader theme you've been pushing through you will be naturally labeled a religious zealot. The "mad emperor" not so much, and I have only seen that as an IC propaganda. Every enemy ruler is either mad or a weakling. That's how we try to paint our serious enemies.

I don't see how being labeled a zealot impedes RP. The Black Road and the Cult of The Void are two realms of religious zealots, and they are both RP-heavy. I doubt any of their players would resent such labeling.

Regarding there being more than I am aware of, I understand that and do not doubt it, but you are making accusations so I would like you to substantiate them more. For I do not really see from where would those soldiers be appearing, since the largest troops factories are already involved in the war, and most on your side.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 11:13:50 PM
I dislike fantasy themes because they have nothing relatable in them. Using, let's call them that, 'powerful' words people are familiar with, and /once in the fold/ taught the difference between the RL meaning and the in game meaning, was the approach I took.

A pure land of righteousness with powerful military figures, who are exemplars of the virtues IoA upholds. And this is still true. Yet people, this being only the most minor case, take this whole thing out of proportion, and speak ICly and OOCly, as if their misguided delusion was fact. Is that not how AD joined the war?

And last of all, Rathgar and Tetsuyama are not involved in my war. And last I checked, other than selling me troops, Hawks initially invaded /ME/. And when no doubt everyone was screaming 'OMG Weaver begged his OOC friends to come help him', I was worrying if their land grab was gonna stop at Sorento or not. It worked out in the end, so I am not complaining.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 28, 2016, 11:30:02 PM
I personally prefer fantasy themes, as RL titles bring unwanted connotations. That is likely shared by others history lovers, so if you bring me a Khan that fights in shield walls or a Templar that is not religious I will personally turn my nose. It's using a stereotype, and using it poorly, in my humble opinion.
As you see, the Archonian Dominate draws heavily from the Roman Principate, so while not everything matches perfectly we do strive to make the basics similar, while we do our own thing in the background. But if you come and assume a sacred senate and certain power struggles, and power in the hands of the generals, and a military culture, and several other Roman things, well, you won't be too far off, and you will certainly not be condemned for assuming so.


Are you selling your IC propaganda in here? Because if you ask in Hawks, Rathgar, the AD and others the same description holds true. Righteousness and military might is a pretty universal theme, but each one has its own interpretation on what that means.
But no, the AD did not join merely for that. There was not a single factor, but many: the alliance between House Valgerys and Fairwind ensured the support of some Archons, the intervention of Tetsuyama in the war of others, the prior attack of members of the HoO against the Sarantian Empire of others, and the short episode of intervention in Doarhus and kidnapping of its prince of others.
Weaver has not made many friends in the south.


Last time I knew Rathgar was sending thousands of troops against Eldamar in support of Weaver, then were defeated, and now things seem to have quieted down a bit. Dunno how it will progress.
Tetsuyama were involved before the AD intervened and forced them out.
Thousands of troops of Hawks were engaged in war against Sorento (one of the rebellious duchies), taking settlements and giving them to members of the HoO, and are hostile to Eldamar as well.


At least that has been what I have been fed. Which of it is untrue?
Also, any reason not to point out where those unaligned troops are coming from? I am truly curious.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2016, 11:37:24 PM
No, I am not selling my propaganda. And there's more to the Roman theme than that. Also, Archons are angels. Is AD religious? And the word Dominate, does that also make you evil? How would you feel if I started messing with you because apparently I think you are all evil winged creatures?

Also, all of your info is downright wrong. Especially the part about the Hawks. And yes, there is a reason for me not pointing out, it's called impartiality. And the purpose of this thread is to taunt them, without provoking them. I can provoke them in game, but then no one on the forum will know what is going on.

I much prefer the forumites to know that I am kicking someone's butt despite the ridiculousness of the whole situation. If someone, like me, finds it funny, that's great. if not, I don't really care either way.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: LGMAlpha on January 28, 2016, 11:54:20 PM
Thousands of troops of Hawks were engaged in war against Sorento (one of the rebellious duchies), taking settlements and giving them to members of the HoO, and are hostile to Eldamar as well.


To provide some clarification in this, I don't think Hawks took any settlements to give to HoO. I also don't think that Weaver had advanced knowledge of the Hawks attack, though he did benefit significantly from it in game.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 29, 2016, 12:10:09 AM

Thousands of troops of Hawks were engaged in war against Sorento (one of the rebellious duchies), taking settlements and giving them to members of the HoO, and are hostile to Eldamar as well.





Yes several sub realms of Hawks fought Sorento, and attacked several of the HoO as well, though they now have something of a cold agreement to both concentrate on the rebels. That is what happens when a Tarquinian attacks your settlement because the fact that troops moved THROUGH your lands to support weaver means you MUST support Weaver. Course the Tarquinians have long used the same land as a pass though to attack Weaver, so maybe he supports both. However he didn't give the land to HoO, he recruited a new player, gave him the land and then did a peace deal with Sorento for them to leave the war and regain the land under the control of the new player. They were talking about leaving the war, since they didn't want to fight through Fairwind to get to Tarquinian, but it would seem they came to them instead.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 12:17:46 AM
That's why I think Avitus should put a sign on his roads that says '1 gold per 10 soldiers' and 'Toll booth 100m north'.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Zandar on January 29, 2016, 01:01:56 AM
Why is this still an issue. I thought Weaver had surrendered to Fairwind?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 29, 2016, 01:02:51 AM
No, I am not selling my propaganda. And there's more to the Roman theme than that. Also, Archons are angels. Is AD religious? And the word Dominate, does that also make you evil? How would you feel if I started messing with you because apparently I think you are all evil winged creatures?

Yes, there is more to the Roman theme, I don't deny it. You could suspect we shared some of it.
Archons are also angels, it is the Greek word for "ruler" or "lord". You could also assume it's a Starcraft unit, but that would be kind of unlikely and not fitting the medieval theme, now would it?

Also, all of your info is downright wrong. Especially the part about the Hawks.

I can understand the part of the Hawks. But what about the rest is wrong?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 01:07:24 AM
Why is this still an issue. I thought Weaver had surrendered to Fairwind?

Beats me.

I can understand the part of the Hawks. But what about the rest is wrong?

There were no 'thousands of troops'. I could look it up, but it was a tiny force. And Tetsuyama? Really? I pretty much told Marthus ICly, if he manages to even make Fairwind blink, he'd have succeeded. That's hardly involvement. He might as well have just taken his troops for a stroll to the Void lands and back. Declaring their intent before that was just a courtesy. And apparently Tetsuyama was 'involved'.

And really, Zandar has a point. Why is this an issue at all. I don't want to set records straight with this topic. Do your own research or actually IN-GAME ask someone what is really going on, and what really happened and is happening.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: LGMAlpha on January 29, 2016, 01:33:56 AM
There were no 'thousands of troops'. I could look it up, but it was a tiny force.


It was far from a tiny force. The number is slightly inflated because I initially thought the troops from the Rusizkean Protectorate and Nril that moved through Sorento were part of the attack. Still, it was over 1,000.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 29, 2016, 01:41:04 AM

It was far from a tiny force. The number is slightly inflated because I initially thought the troops from the Rusizkean Protectorate and Nril that moved through Sorento were part of the attack. Still, it was over 1,000.


And mostly mercs they were struggling to pay after the GF war. Part of the reason you were the first of the Black Forest alliance to be attacked, you were close and they needed gold.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
I was talking about Rathgar.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: LGMAlpha on January 29, 2016, 01:48:54 AM

And mostly mercs they were struggling to pay after the GF war. Part of the reason you were the first of the Black Forest alliance to be attacked, you were close and they needed gold.


Did they actually get much gold? Soren is the only settlement I really have that produces much wealth.


The war kind of caught me off guard. 75% of all my troops were way south just a couple hours from a big battle with Weaver when the declarations hit. First appearances looked, to me, like some kind of OOC vendetta because of the Manic and Banan Aerinia characters were the first to appear. I was a little irritated by it. I got over that quick enough, and I'm really pleased with the resolution of all of it, which I though was really quite generous.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 29, 2016, 02:11:12 AM

Did they actually get much gold? Soren is the only settlement I really have that produces much wealth.


The war kind of caught me off guard. 75% of all my troops were way south just a couple hours from a big battle with Weaver when the declarations hit. First appearances looked, to me, like some kind of OOC vendetta because of the Manic and Banan Aerinia characters were the first to appear. I was a little irritated by it. I got over that quick enough, and I'm really pleased with the resolution of all of it, which I though was really quite generous.


Enough to maintain the forces while natural attrition from battles came into play. You don't want to lose mercs with war horses and/or plate armour if you can avoid it. Once they controlled some settlements, constant looting kept them going until gold could be transported from their own holdings.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 29, 2016, 06:18:41 AM
Beats me.

There were no 'thousands of troops'. I could look it up, but it was a tiny force. And Tetsuyama? Really? I pretty much told Marthus ICly, if he manages to even make Fairwind blink, he'd have succeeded. That's hardly involvement. He might as well have just taken his troops for a stroll to the Void lands and back. Declaring their intent before that was just a courtesy. And apparently Tetsuyama was 'involved'.


Rathgar troops were over a thousand. Not all of them survived, of course. Tetsuyama were around 600. That's what I got told in-game.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 29, 2016, 06:27:03 AM

Rathgar troops were over a thousand. Not all of them survived, of course. Tetsuyama were around 600. That's what I got told in-game.


It long ago reached the point with this war that if I can't see something with my own characters, I don't believe anything that is said.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
*laughing intensifies*

Completely wrecked again.

The saddest part is, the OOC whining has made several players already consider quitting, and I think a few might. Good job. Hey, maybe if all of us quit, winning might actually be possible?

Probably not. Ha ha.

I keep telling them to reply to the messages they get with 'Weaver told you to go f**k yourself', but they won't do it. So I actually started approaching players OOCly to launch a counter OOC invasion. Seems like the best way to get my words across. I hope you enjoy it.

You made a huge mistake when you started harassing my friends.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Arx on January 29, 2016, 12:34:08 PM
As someone who's had pretty much nothing to do with the OOC side, gee, thanks. Some of us are just playing our characters the way they would act.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 12:41:43 PM
The people relevant to the topic are the only ones I address, and no one else. If you had nothing to do with it, you may as well just pretend you never saw any of this, other than knowing what actually goes on in this game.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 29, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
Weaver, the attitude you display here is toxic and detrimental to the game. You are not the only one doing it, but you are by far the most public one about it. Please tone it down. This removes a lot of enjoyment from the game.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
I am sorry, did I huwt youw feewings?

The shit you just said is exactly what propagates this- your uneducated opinion in something you don't know two shits about. And now people will think, since you said it, that I am not the only one doing it.

News flash: I am not the one doing it at all.

News flash 2: My enjoyment of the game was removed quite a while ago.

Don't butt into business you know nothing about- and don't butt into my business at all, unless you are qualified to do so. Boohoo I am toxic. Look through this board. Who the hell ever was not toxic? Your passive aggressiveness is toxic. At least I have the balls to be public about it, unless you mean that I should just lie back and take this shit lying down while people I know want to quit the game? Is that what you are saying? Let's all harass each other. Last player remaining wins. Is that it? No? Then refer to the first sentence of this paragraph.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Constantine on January 29, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
Dude, you sound like a major asshole. Do you need henchmen?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 29, 2016, 04:48:04 PM
No, you didn't hurt my feelings. My involvement in the whole affair is minimal. It begins and ends with Flaochad Ratharing, the prince of the Archonian Dominate. And he is busy with Tetsuyama instead. I have not a single other character involved in your conflict. I am presenting you the opinion of a rather non-involved forumite that comes here to read all the hate you are spewing.


I said you were not the only one being toxic, because there are others on that train. And I was referring to people being toxic against you. But you are far more public than they are.


In my reading of this thread you are the only one being toxic. And that's a patter you've been keeping consistent for long. Perhaps others may disagree, though, I'd like to see other opinions.


Your claim that your enjoyment of the game was removed quite a while ago is completely in tune with your attitude. The question remains on why you keep playing a game you do not enjoy. You seem to want to remove the enjoyment from the rest of the players. What for?


You may see this as me attacking you out of the blue. I do not intend it to be. I am trying to reach out as a fellow player of the game (and gamer in general) in order to try to fix this horrible situation the community seems to be immersed in.


Sorry if I am blunt, but get a grip on yourself. You are involving degrees of real life hatred and OoC energy against other players (not characters) that is not healthy for the game, nor for yourself.


I've taken several games more seriously than I should have in the past, and I'm not sure if at the moment I'd have heeded a call like the one I'm making right now (probably not, I was and often am a stubborn idiot), but please do think about it.


This is not about me. Your actions so far have had zero detrimental effect on my character's interests (in fact Flaochad has managed to make good use of Weaver's impact on the south), and as a player I simply am not involved in your realms, so I am left safely out of the storm breeding in there. But I notice lots of complaints from every side, and your attitude is not helping. Help the game and help yourself, please.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 05:46:21 PM
Dude, you sound like a major asshole. Do you need henchmen?

Yes.

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Gosh, Ratharing, why do you make so much sense? You just take the energy out of me, and it's hard to keep doing what I am doing when you put it that way. But really, my words affect no one. No matter what I say, and how big of an asshole I make myself, it doesn't change that I didn't call out anyone or insult anyone. Taken word for word, my words are not actually toxic. Sure, the context is.

At this point I am mostly running on spite. I actually take pleasure in completely dismantling these guys (No one affiliated with EI though, have to stress this every time) and giving them tit for tat. The whole package. Turned up to 11. Am I really an asshole? No. Many will disagree and I don't mind. But I am crude and I am cruel, and I am fair.

I don't see you as attacking me, and really, it seems like the only time I am compelled to post on the forum is to either be condescending or to give valuable input on balance. And bugs.

But really, I did not start this. Sure, I brought it to light, and I am the only one appearing toxic. But you know. I did not start this. I will, however, end it. Things will go back to normal, and in a month or two, someone will read this thread and think 'Wow, what an asshole', and that's fine with me. I am getting what I wanted from this thread: Exposure on the matter, and public humiliation of some munchkins. Might as well be my Mona Lisa.

If you want this to end, go ahead and post a message to your Realm that goes like this: "OOC: If you harassed the players affiliated with Weaver, apologize to them." And if I hear that apologies are happening, I will go back to being an angel.

And it's not like I am not being an angel to everyone not involved with this directly. They probably won't speak up, cause it's not their battle to fight. I told them this countless times, and if I really asked for it, they'd vouch for me. Maybe even praise me.

But to the minority of those involved with this harassment incident? ... Heh.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Ratharing on January 29, 2016, 06:01:28 PM
Several sides claim being harassed, some by you or people affiliated to you. I take both your and their claims with a grain of salt. See, there is certainly harassment from both sides, and both sides probably think the other one started it. That is because we never judge ourselves in the same light we judge others.[/font]

I am more than willing to start an honest OoC talk with the players of the Archonian Dominate on the matter (or from any other realm I play in), if you commit yourself to see this hatred end and do your part. Could be in the thread with the rebel dukes and Eldamar too, if you want.

To me there are no doubts that every sides feels completely justified on what they are doing, so only ask for what you can offer. If you want apologies, be ready to offer them too. Friendly advise.

I've played my fair share in games out of spite from certain players or even the leadership/admins/mods of certain servers, because we do derive a certain sadistic pleasure (besides having strong incentives given by outrage and a certain desire of vengeance), but, honestly? Looking back at it I wish I hadn't spent a minute in them. I gained nothing, and it had a cost, both in my precious time being wasted with those who didn't deserve it and in my own emotional health. And in the well-being of the communities I did care about.
TL;DR: It's fucking unhealthy.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 06:12:05 PM
I can tell you right here and right now, we never did any abusing. Look back to my apology thread. I used a word ICly, the player didn't like it, and I apologized. Publicly. I practically begged for his forgiveness, and never received a word on it.

No, Ratharing, there is not a single person in the HoO, until this thread has appeared, that has in any way, shape or form, harassed anyone on the opposing side.

The siege of Datubana where less honest things were done in reply to power-gaming (Which ended up being a bug)? When I found out that Kommagene was probably the most straight up fair player in the entire game, /I surrendered the entire war/, not just GTFO'd out of Fairwind and sacrificed 600 troops. So no, the House of Order and everyone affiliated with me always treated _everyone_ fairly IG, without harassment. I would get everyone in the HoO to come here and swear on their mother's life this is true, but I will not have them share their identity for obvious reasons. Ultimately, whether anyone believes me or not is besides the point.

And things are about to change.

I am always committed to resolving unpleasant situations. But I will not be the one to step forward and take the first step. They have the burden to bear now, and if they choose not to lay it down, I will give them hell and return their feelings tenfold. It is that simple.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Jhon2221 on January 29, 2016, 07:54:44 PM
Wait. If you surrendered, why are we even still fighting? I recall the battle at Datubana, I was told you gave up, and next thing I see you're running to.. Tharsis, i'm assuming. I had no idea, in fact I actually messaged Weaver offering his surrender for safe haven in Kyde and I would demand his trial in exchange for cease in hostilities, and he pretty much literally told me to stick it. Unless what you meant by surrender was a white peace, which is far from surrendering.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2016, 08:42:46 PM
As I've said before, beats me. Kommagene hasn't really replied yet, so maybe he isn't around? Though it happened quite a while ago. Your terms just didn't work out.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Kommagene on January 30, 2016, 03:50:58 AM
Hey,


I was going to reply about what? I was going to RP... Couldn't have the time...


Didn't you surrender? Yes?


BTW: Thank you for a good opinion of me.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Insanegame27 on January 30, 2016, 09:58:17 AM
I see nothing wrong with Weaver's attitude here. People were attacking him ingame because OOC reasons, and they got wrecked. It is pretty much within his rights to laugh at them, I would laugh at them if I were in his position. So what if Weaver is toxic, I would be toxic too if people ganged up on me OOCly, even if they were getting annihilated. See thread 'A call to fair play' from Tom.


BTW, have you got any knight offers up, Weaver?
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on January 30, 2016, 01:26:13 PM
Weaver did get another warning for his posts here, but not for the initial "I laugh at you" post. That's a bit edgy, but ok. But a few posts further down it becomes clear he confuses "rage zone" with "I can say whatever I want, fuck other people".

Also, at least AFAIK, nobody ganged up on Weaver OOC. True, support was brought in from far away, from both sides. And both sides didn't see the IC links that brought their enemy support in.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 30, 2016, 01:43:29 PM
Weaver did get another warning for his posts here, but not for the initial "I laugh at you" post. That's a bit edgy, but ok. But a few posts further down it becomes clear he confuses "rage zone" with "I can say whatever I want, fuck other people".

Also, at least AFAIK, nobody ganged up on Weaver OOC. True, support was brought in from far away, from both sides. And both sides didn't see the IC links that brought their enemy support in.


We saw most of them quite well from the House Of Order side, and those we couldn't see, we simply assumed exist since this is a limited communication/limited information style game. I can't see people messages, I can't know if character A and character B who happen to be rulers have been best of buds for in game years. I simply prefer to assume IC links exist rather then start accusing people of OOC actions. If I had wanted to be OOC for instance, I would have simply have had Hawks declare war. In fact there was a time when Taticus and Weaver discussed combining their realms before this war. I rejected the idea because I couldn't see how such a power bloc would be at all good for the game, but ties between Hawks and Weaver go back a long way, starting with some rather disastrous diplomatic work he performed while still a mere knight in the Imperium. Only a handful of people are ever going to be privy to all those events, those messages and the slow building of the relationship to the point that Taticus grudgingly respected him.


That is the crux of the problem. You are rarely going to see most of the IC links in this game, the private messages between rulers and the like. So you have a choice, assume that people are dealing fairly with you, or assume that anything you aren't privy to is OOC and go around casting accusations.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: stueblahblah on January 30, 2016, 08:00:44 PM
maybe you have best intentions, but i truly don't understand hawk stance during this war.

playing as quite low ranked noble on the other side, i had approach to lot of ic communications, political declarations, agreements, allegiance changes, all that through ic channels.

could it be said for the other side? why hawks is making so many explanations of their stance through ooc elaboration when putting that ic would make game much more wealthy?

for instance, there is no any formal declaration of relations between hawks and holy lands, yet they act as allies for months in mountains. why? you can make simple declaration on realm pages that would give any player at least some clue, but if you are totally secretive, how to make any difference between ooc and ic when nothing ic is available to general players base? nobody asks you to reveal your secret plans, but giving at least some information to ic world would make things much more meaningful.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 31, 2016, 01:52:30 AM
maybe you have best intentions, but i truly don't understand hawk stance during this war.

playing as quite low ranked noble on the other side, i had approach to lot of ic communications, political declarations, agreements, allegiance changes, all that through ic channels.

could it be said for the other side? why hawks is making so many explanations of their stance through ooc elaboration when putting that ic would make game much more wealthy?

for instance, there is no any formal declaration of relations between hawks and holy lands, yet they act as allies for months in mountains. why? you can make simple declaration on realm pages that would give any player at least some clue, but if you are totally secretive, how to make any difference between ooc and ic when nothing ic is available to general players base? nobody asks you to reveal your secret plans, but giving at least some information to ic world would make things much more meaningful.

Hawks has nothing to do with the holy lands. Nril and Redgorge might, but Hawks as an empire do not. As it has been explained to me there is nothing official, they simply both want to see your family out of the area, and as the Holy Lands seemed.unable to manage it Redgorge stepped in.

Again Hawks as an empire has no standing in the war, something we have explained in game to anyone that asked. You know this, since one of your own realms did bother to ask and you were privy to the conversation.

We explain OOC and IC. IC because that is fun. OOC because IC simply does not counter the bullshit we are putting up with. Take your example, you have now accused Hawks of "secret plans". Why? You know you family is not welcome in Elysium nor anywhere near it. They hunt kill and execute every Balkopan they can. So when you take settlements in your border do you think they are going to sit around and let you establish nearby? Oh but if course they MUST be allies with those you took land off. There is no possible explanation. So welcome to being part of the problem Stue. You want to make IC accusations of secret alliances and what not fine. Secret alliances exist in the game and I see no reason people should have to advertise them, kinds destroys the secret bit. But I'm not going to sit around and see people level those same accusations OOC, especially with no evidence beyond, " well that's how it looks to me"
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on January 31, 2016, 08:50:30 AM
That is the crux of the problem. You are rarely going to see most of the IC links in this game, the private messages between rulers and the like. So you have a choice, assume that people are dealing fairly with you, or assume that anything you aren't privy to is OOC and go around casting accusations.

That is true, but again remember that all this came on top of some clearly OOC game-mechanic abuses. Once you have seen that another player is using cheats, the "assume everything is as it should be" basis has fallen off.

Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on January 31, 2016, 08:54:25 AM
for instance, there is no any formal declaration of relations between hawks and holy lands, yet they act as allies for months in mountains. why? you can make simple declaration on realm pages that would give any player at least some clue,

That is true, but most realms are guilty of that. The diplomatic relations as available in the game right now are not being used very much.

That should change, it would make things easier to understand.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: stueblahblah on January 31, 2016, 03:10:16 PM
Hawks has nothing to do with the holy lands. Nril and Redgorge might, but Hawks as an empire do not. As it has been explained to me there is nothing official, they simply both want to see your family out of the area, and as the Holy Lands seemed.unable to manage it Redgorge stepped in.

Again Hawks as an empire has no standing in the war, something we have explained in game to anyone that asked. You know this, since one of your own realms did bother to ask and you were privy to the conversation.

We explain OOC and IC. IC because that is fun. OOC because IC simply does not counter the bullshit we are putting up with. Take your example, you have now accused Hawks of "secret plans". Why? You know you family is not welcome in Elysium nor anywhere near it. They hunt kill and execute every Balkopan they can. So when you take settlements in your border do you think they are going to sit around and let you establish nearby? Oh but if course they MUST be allies with those you took land off. There is no possible explanation. So welcome to being part of the problem Stue. You want to make IC accusations of secret alliances and what not fine. Secret alliances exist in the game and I see no reason people should have to advertise them, kinds destroys the secret bit. But I'm not going to sit around and see people level those same accusations OOC, especially with no evidence beyond, " well that's how it looks to me"

within my abilities to write english i did not use any expression that would look as accusation, i just pointed at how i see hawks in general and wonder why are you surprised when somebody else (not me) in moment of rage frown upon you and send some indication that there is too much ooc too little ic playing.

if everything is secretive in practically all your dealings and at the same time you use say irc or other channels to communicate within realm i wonder how the rest of player community will differ ooc from ic in your case? your realm is so large and powerful that you or some other diplomats within your realm should make efforts at least sometimes to provide background of your story to overall player community, to give them some feeling that you are interacting with others, at least sometimes.

having two empires practically allied to fight against one branch of one single family has potential for all kinds of roleplays and stories but you guys make all efforts to cut all possibility of it in roots by sacking any kind of interaction. to be honest, there is no fun for me to play that way, not because my family suffers so many lossess but because i have no possibility to interact with someone.
however, all my chars and branches have their stories and that's the only way how i could play. if i would remove from some territory only to avoid bullies, that i could hardly have fun to play anywhere. there are certainly many ways how to get rid of someone ic, but bullying is not one of them.

this is not about me, though, i used only one illustration, and the other i saw in this civil war. supply of troops for weaver from hawks territory was major influencing factor of war operations for rl weeks, yet we were deprived of any ic information about it; all explanations came through this forum, which is typical example of game degradation - all that could have been brought ic, which would make lot of fun ic instead of making lot of players to players bickering ooc.

there should be something like say public responsibility for large empire, that they need to be aware how they should make some way to frame their events in game world at least to the extent that player community will feel them as a part of game world. if you make actions that create major influence on ic world and announce that exactly those actions are top secret actions, most of people will see it as if you are bringing major decisions to ooc domain and you should be aware of that.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: FARevolution on January 31, 2016, 06:11:34 PM
First off, Hawks does not have/need diplomats, we've been doing just fine without them. Also Elysium did warn you, you decided to keep bugging Elysium.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on January 31, 2016, 10:39:29 PM
within my abilities to write english i did not use any expression that would look as accusation, i just pointed at how i see hawks in general and wonder why are you surprised when somebody else (not me) in moment of rage frown upon you and send some indication that there is too much ooc too little ic playing.

if everything is secretive in practically all your dealings and at the same time you use say irc or other channels to communicate within realm i wonder how the rest of player community will differ ooc from ic in your case? your realm is so large and powerful that you or some other diplomats within your realm should make efforts at least sometimes to provide background of your story to overall player community, to give them some feeling that you are interacting with others, at least sometimes.

having two empires practically allied to fight against one branch of one single family has potential for all kinds of roleplays and stories but you guys make all efforts to cut all possibility of it in roots by sacking any kind of interaction. to be honest, there is no fun for me to play that way, not because my family suffers so many lossess but because i have no possibility to interact with someone.
however, all my chars and branches have their stories and that's the only way how i could play. if i would remove from some territory only to avoid bullies, that i could hardly have fun to play anywhere. there are certainly many ways how to get rid of someone ic, but bullying is not one of them.

this is not about me, though, i used only one illustration, and the other i saw in this civil war. supply of troops for weaver from hawks territory was major influencing factor of war operations for rl weeks, yet we were deprived of any ic information about it; all explanations came through this forum, which is typical example of game degradation - all that could have been brought ic, which would make lot of fun ic instead of making lot of players to players bickering ooc.

there should be something like say public responsibility for large empire, that they need to be aware how they should make some way to frame their events in game world at least to the extent that player community will feel them as a part of game world. if you make actions that create major influence on ic world and announce that exactly those actions are top secret actions, most of people will see it as if you are bringing major decisions to ooc domain and you should be aware of that.


What Secrets? Hawks is largely isolationist, except when we march to war in which case those we fight against certainly know the IG justifications. Sometimes those justifications are weak yes, you know why, because I try for flawed characters whom just like real life people make illogical choices. Being autistic myself I don't always do a great job of this because frankly most of the world is illogical to me and I see patterns and correlations that don't generally make sense to others.


IRC is not used to communicate with the realm, how could it be, three players out of the entire realm use IRC. All communication, at least from my end as ruler of Hawks is performed via the in game messaging system. So again, you cast accusations, one that you have no proof for beyond your own assumptions.


I am not going to start posting every decision of Hawks in the forum, let alone the decision of every sub realm, even if I knew all of them which I obviously never will. Much of that information is available IC in the game, and works exactly as Tom designed. A limited communication system is always going to me that information is sparse, local. I'm not going to be held to some higher account of reporting, especially given that I already spend 5+ hours a day in this game just keeping Hawks running and trying to make it interesting. Suggesting to anyone that they have a responsibility to pour more time in this game simply is quite frankly insulting.

Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on February 01, 2016, 01:50:40 AM
What he means is that even your isolationism isn't visible from the outside. Very little is. That is a problem. Maybe partially of game mechanics, but partially of roleplaying and interaction.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: De-Legro on February 01, 2016, 01:53:40 AM
What he means is that even your isolationism isn't visible from the outside. Very little is. That is a problem. Maybe partially of game mechanics, but partially of roleplaying and interaction.


And we know next to nothing of Black Forest. Hawks has no idea about why there is a new "2nd" Imperium. We hear nothing of Rathgar either. You going to claim none of them interact or Roleplay? You designed a game that is about LOCAL interaction. Of course people far away are less then well informed.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on February 01, 2016, 09:15:08 AM
As I said, part of it is due to game mechanics. That is why I'd like to spend less time hot-fixing and more time developing things like the war declaration so that diplomacy is actually being used.
Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: WVH on February 01, 2016, 04:22:12 PM
Cool idea would be to allow adjustable attributes for realms.  Let a ruler pick 10 good ones from a list and have a sliding bar 1-5 that each realm ruler can set.  So for example if my realm is supposed to be evil but my RP writing skills are not great... I can pick evil and slide it over to..."hmm do I kill innocent children in sacrafices? Yes?  Alright lets move that over to 5..."

Title: Re: Laughing
Post by: Tom on February 02, 2016, 09:19:15 AM
The realm laws were originally intended for something like that, to set a "tone". The idea to extend the set to purely roleplaying laws is an interesting idea.